tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7154359965221795553.post3459172764040859863..comments2024-03-01T14:27:35.794-08:00Comments on Albion Awakening: Why Do People Not Recognise Jesus?Bruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7154359965221795553.post-2308458225396734422018-11-02T03:01:57.113-07:002018-11-02T03:01:57.113-07:00Chris, it's not knowledge or love but knowledg...Chris, it's not knowledge or love but knowledge and love. One, correctly understood, includes the other and if it doesn't then it's not real knowledge or real love. The jnana/bhakti division is not a real one except perhaps at an initial stage.William Wildbloodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231219533755925897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7154359965221795553.post-24276892190603632602018-11-01T15:11:45.721-07:002018-11-01T15:11:45.721-07:00It seems to me that the core of this issue can be ...It seems to me that the core of this issue can be traced back to what amounts to the highest or most profound spiritual experience- that of knowledge or love. The Vedantists have been arguing over this for centuries - is jnana or bhakti greater? Some make the case that they represent the opposite sides of the same coin, but I'm not sure if these views can actually be reconciled. At the end of the day, it's hard not to detect just a bit of a patronizing attitude coming from both sides in their claim that the other view is not wrong, but merely a lower step on the path to salvation/realization. Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04865413665629644313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7154359965221795553.post-37150932219855038182018-10-31T15:59:08.359-07:002018-10-31T15:59:08.359-07:00The simple answer is I don't know, Chris. But ...The simple answer is I don't know, Chris. But my feeling is that yes, Christ does operate everywhere there is true spiritual sensibility and understanding and love but he operates most fully and most perfectly through the form of Jesus because that is who he is. Elsewhere his spiritual influence can manifest itself but never so directly and so completely as through Jesus. In other words he is universal but his universality is best known through his individuality.William Wildbloodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231219533755925897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7154359965221795553.post-15763527358458174422018-10-31T15:10:39.398-07:002018-10-31T15:10:39.398-07:00As I understand it, this point of view is basicall...<i>As I understand it, this point of view is basically saying that Christ is operative outside of the Person of Jesus of Nazareth.</i><br /><br />Hi Chris<br /><br />When I first pondered that question, it came as a something of a surprise that it wasn't more widely discussed. If Jesus and Christ are not separate - then either Christ must be only 2,000 years old, or Jesus of Nazareth must have existed since eternity. Neither seems to be correct.<br /><br />And so one begins to see Christ as a separate Divine being and Jesus of Nazareth as the most elevated of all human beings - the only human vessel capable of bearing a full incarnation of Christ.<br /><br />Also of relevance is the statement from Rudolf Steiner that Jesus Christ came into being, not at birth but at the Baptism - where Christ descended into Jesus of Nazareth - and the 3 year mission commenced from that point forwards.Moonspherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015070450886972955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7154359965221795553.post-21834424315062918272018-10-31T13:35:56.136-07:002018-10-31T13:35:56.136-07:00Chris -
Implicit in Christian assumptions is tha...Chris - <br /><br />Implicit in Christian assumptions is that it is 'imperialistic' and sees itself as the only correct religion. Islam and Judaism, from the same root, also see themselves this way.<br /><br />It's a natural outgrowth of Christian metaphysics and belief in individuality and separation as ultimate truths and not Maya. (Although I believe there is another kind of Christianity which is different, and that Jesus life exemplified a different view of the world. But that is not mainstream)<br /><br />If you see difference and separation as final and real, then you feel overwhelming existential insecurity, and the only way to deal with feelings of radical inadequacy is to 'grow', to 'become' complete - one deals with ego inadequacy by attempting to be 'more', 'superior', better than, etc.<br /><br />Such ideas are inescapable if such is your metsphtsic. The Christian tries to complete himself by growing, which means by becoming better and superior, therefore he must assert that Christianity is superior and better than any other religion because of it wasn't, it wouldn't address his existential insecurity based on his metaphysics.<br /><br />Other religions deal with existential insecurity differently, by uncovering the fact that we are already a part of everything and not separate, rendering notions of growth, superiority, or becoming better than, irrelevant as one is already fully complete if one just was able to perceive this. <br /><br />Such religions are not evangelical because from their standpoint it does not matter HOW one achieves this insight into the nature of ourselves and the world.<br /><br />But each religion is acting quite logically and consistently within its framework.<br /><br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13667917314028595187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7154359965221795553.post-49763861080642923292018-10-31T09:45:06.542-07:002018-10-31T09:45:06.542-07:00Hey William,
From the Perennialist perspective, t...Hey William,<br /><br />From the Perennialist perspective, there are different spiritual universes and different human psycho-spiritual receptacles. Consequently, there is a plurality of world religions which are forms or deployments of the formless Truth. On this view, the Logos manifests in different places and different times, like a Perennial flower, suiting the needs of its recipients. As I understand it, this point of view is basically saying that Christ is operative outside of the Person of Jesus of Nazareth.<br />Thoughts? Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04865413665629644313noreply@blogger.com